A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Vapcell Purple 20A 4800mAh 21700…shamefully overrated, a Samsung 48G rewrap
This Vapcell is identical in performance and appearance to the great performing (for low power vapers) Samsung 48G cell. Samsung rates this cell at 9.6A continuous.
Vapcell, why rate it at 20A continuous? It becomes hot enough to boil water at that level and the voltage sag is huge. Simply inexcusable.
I am rating this Vapcell at 10A and 4800mAh.
Unfortunately, this cell has Vapcell’s usual paper top insulating ring so juice spills could damage the ring. Be careful.
After seeing the first posts of these test results Vapcell informed me that they will be changing the continuous current rating to 10A and switching to a plastic top insulating ring. They said they will send me the updated cells for testing then. If this happens I will post the new test results.
I expressed my anger that this was only happening after being caught exaggerating the rating so badly. But, it is a positive step and one that many other companies would not take. In the end, what is important is that we have our cells accurately marked.
Two cells from Vapcell were donated for the purposes of testing. Thank you!
Cell photos: https://imgur.com/a/TRF2I
Ratings graphic: https://imgur.com/a/gmqkD
Test results, discharge graph, photos: http://bit.ly/2iRLRo6
All my test results to date: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/
A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Vapcell Gold 30A 3200mAh 20700…accurately rated, a Sanyo NCR20700A rewrap!
This Vapcell is identical in performance and appearance to the incredible Sanyo NCR20700A cell. That Sanyo is the best performing 20700 I’ve tested so far (as of November 12, 2017).
I do not know how many of these cells Vapcell has or who is selling them right now. I have no doubt that several vendors will be trying to stock them as soon as possible though. Check with your favorite vendors or Vapcell via their web site (http://www.vapcelltech.com) or Facebook page.
The Sanyo NCR20700A has a “rated” capacity of 3100mAh, a “minimum” capacity of 3150mAh, and a “typical” rating of 3300mAh. So while I always try to use just the rated capacity for a rewrapped cell for my ratings, 3100mAh in this case, Vapcell’s rating of 3200mAh can still be considered accurate. It all depends on which rating you use.
I am rating this Vapcell at 30A and 3100mAh.
Unfortunately, this cell has Vapcell’s usual paper top insulating ring so juice spills could damage the ring. Be careful.
Two cells from Vapcell were donated for the purposes of testing. Thank you! I know that some of you will think these are cherry-picked cells but they test identical to the Sanyo’s. No cherry- picking is possible here.
As with any rewrapped cell it can be changed in the future by the rewrapper. But all of the high performance rewrapped cells are retested by me using cells purchased from a vendor. If they are changed the community will be told about it.
Cell photos: https://imgur.com/a/CDcDQ
Ratings graphic: https://imgur.com/a/SlsPq
Test results, discharge graph, photos: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/threads/bench-test-results-vapcell-gold-30a-3200mah-20700…accurately-rated-a-sanyo-ncr20700a-rewrap.837069/
All my test results to date: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/
A BATTERY MOOCH POST: CoilArt 40A 4000mAh 21700…grotesquely overrated, a poor 20A performer
This is a poor performing 21700 cell with a preposterous 40A rating. It appears almost identical to the Basen 30A 4000mAh 21700 but performs a bit worse than the Basen.
Its 40A rating can’t even be considered a “pulse” or “max” rating as it drops to under 3.2V for the first pulse, freshly charged. This is clearly not a 40A cell.
It performs worse than the iJoy 40A 3750mAh 21700. The CoilArt’s greater voltage sag results in at least 30% less vaping time at moderate to high current levels.
Its capacity falls short of 4000mAh in my testing. Since I’m sure I don’t have the worst performing examples of this cell out there I have to assume that others will test even a bit lower.
I am rating this cell at 20A and 3850mAh. I recommend staying below about 40W though to prevent excessive voltage sag and reduced vaping time.
This cell has a plastic top insulating ring so juice spills shouldn’t damage the ring.
Two cells from The Cloudy Vapor (www.thecloudyvaper.com) and two from CoilArt were donated for the purposes of testing. Thank you!
Cell photos: https://imgur.com/a/9e0dX
Ratings graphic: https://imgur.com/a/AW6SX
Test results, discharge graph, photos: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/bench-test-results-coilart-40a-4000mah-21700…grotesquely-overrated-a-poor-20a-performer.837019/#post-20222177
All my test results to date: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/
THE CTHULHU HASTUR MTL RTA!
A PBusardo Review – The Cthulhu Hastur MTL RTA
In this video we take a full look at the Cthulhu Hastur MTL RTA.
We also make some additions to the stocking!
The Links:
Cthulhu Mods
Cthulhu Store
The Video:
*NOTE: Any use of these videos in part or in their entirety without Phil Busardo’s expressed written consent is strictly prohibited.
The Photos:
A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Basen 30A 4000mAh 21700…ridiculously overrated, just an average 20A battery
This is a 21700 cell. It’s continuous 30A rating is ridiculous as it gets hot enough to boil water when discharged at that level. It is just a 20A cell that performs worse than the iJoy 21700 at moderate to higher power levels.
This Basen uses a new cell that has come to market recently. I don’t know who makes it but it’s being rewrapped by at least three different companies so far. I will be posting the results of their testing soon.
It’s capacity falls a bit short of 4000mAh in my testing. Since I’m sure I don’t have the worst performing two examples of this cell out there I have to assume that others will test even a bit lower.
I am rating this cell at 20A and 3900mAh. I recommend staying below about 40W though to prevent excessive voltage sag and reduced vaping time.
This cell has a plastic top insulating ring so juice spills will not damage the ring.
Two cells were purchased by me for the purposes of testing.
Cell photos: https://imgur.com/a/ntCiX
Ratings graphic: https://imgur.com/a/pGnaI
Test results, discharge graph, photos: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/bench-test-results-basen-30a-4000mah-21700…ridiculously-overrated-just-an-average-20a-battery.836909/
All my test results to date: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/
THE JOYETECH ATOPACK DOLPHIN
A PBusardo Review – The Joyetech Dolphin
In this video we take a look at the Joyetech Dolphin.
We also make the first additions to the stocking for 2017!
The Links:
Joyetech US
Joyetech Store
The Video:
*NOTE: Any use of these videos in part or in their entirety without Phil Busardo’s expressed written consent is strictly prohibited.
The Photos:
A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Keeppower 15A 4250mAh 20700…accurately rated, a Sanyo NCR20700B
This cell is identical in appearance and performance to the 15A 4000mAh Sanyo NCR20700B.
Keeppower uses the “typical” capacity rating of the Sanyo, 4250mAh, for its rating of this cell instead of the Sanyo’s 4000mAh “rated capacity”. Both ratings are accurate. It all just depends on which is more important for that particular application for the cell.
Whenever possible I use the rated capacity so I rate the Sanyo and this Keeppower at 4000mAh.
I’m happy to say its 15A continuous current rating is accurate.
This cell has a completely useless “Max Pulse” rating of 30A though. Without knowing the pulse length, time between pulses, and the criteria used to set the rating (voltage sag? temperature? vaping time?) we can’t compare this rating to one from any other cell. It’s useless.
I am rating this cell at 4000mAh. I recommend staying below about 40W though to prevent excessive voltage sag and reduced vaping time.
This cell has a plastic top insulating ring so juice spills will not damage the ring.
Two cells were donated for the purposes of testing by All Day Vapes (http:www.alldayvapes365.com/). Thank you!
Cell photos: https://imgur.com/a/WzGss
Ratings graphic: https://imgur.com/a/e18vb
Test results, discharge graph, photos: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/bench-test-results-keeppower-15a-4250mah-20700…accurately-rated-a-sanyo-ncr20700b.836771/
All my test results to date: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/
THE JOYETECH EXCEED D19
A PBusardo Review – The Joyetech Exceed D19
In this video we take a full look at the Exceed D19 kit.
The Links:
Joyetech US
Joyetech Store
Digiflavor Siren @ Heaven Gifts
The Video:
*NOTE: Any use of these videos in part or in their entirety without Phil Busardo’s expressed written consent is strictly prohibited.
The Photos:
A POSITIVE ARTICLE FROM MY BFF’S STATE – Smokers Turn to e-Cigarettes in Attempt to Quit
This is important research coming out of the state of Tennessee – yes… from the United States :-). Nice to see positive articles on vaping.
“There’s evidence here that Tennessee smokers are using e-cigarettes as an aid to quit smoking,” said investigator Ransom Wyse, MPH, an epidemiologist with the Tennessee Department of Health in Nashville.
“This is the first time we’ve seen this,” he said here at the American Public Health Association (APHA) 2017 Annual Meeting.
Read the entire article HERE.
NEW FROM THE VTA/TONY ABBOUD
FROM THE TRENCHES: VTA UPDATE
November 7, 2017
FDA EXTENDS NOVEMBER 8, 2017 INGREDIENT LISTING DEADLINE BY 6 MONTHS!
BREAKING! FDA just announced it is extending the November 8, 2017 Ingredient Listing deadline by 6 months. What this means is that if you are a large scale manufacturer, you have until May 8, 2018 to submit your ingredient listings (if you have not done so already). And, if you are a small scale manufacturer you have until November 8, 2018. FDA will be issuing specific written guidance on this point shortly.
Here is a portion of the text of the e-mail just sent by FDA CTP announcing the extension.
“FDA Extends Ingredient Listing Submissions Deadline: FDA is extending the compliance deadline to submit ingredient listings for deemed tobacco products by six months due to technical issues users encountered with eSubmitter. FDA is extending this compliance deadline to provide manufacturers with additional time to submit the ingredient listing information required under Section 905 of the FD&C Act.”
And, here is the a link to the full e-mail.
Importantly, while FDA already had extended the deadline for companies in areas affected by natural disasters in California, Texas, Florida and Puerto Rico, this extension applies to ALL companies.
Even more importantly, you should note the FDA’s reason for the extension is “due to technical issues users encountered with eSubmitter.” And, while anyone attempting to comply knew of the many problems with eSubmitter, the FDA may never have fully understood the depth or severity of the problems, and therefore may not have taken this action, if it were not for Carol Clements and the remarkable team of inviduals from small and large companies whom she organized and lead. As Carol recently noted on Facebook, “Special thanks to everyone who helped gather information and my eternal gratitude for our team, Mark Hoogendoorn, Skip Murray, Char Owen, John Weinel, David Higginbotham & Jennifer Higginbotham and Ian Wright.” These individuals put in countless hours to not only document the problems with eSubmitter, but they got the FDA’s attention, conducted multiple telephone conferences with FDA decision-makers, and developed simplified spreadsheet options for submitting ingredient listings for e-liquids and devices which FDA should also be releasing shortly.
The Bottom Line….this group of Difference Makers are an example of the kind of leadership that everyone in our industry needs to (1) applaud, and (2) emulate.
We will provide more information on FDA’s anticipated new guidance for ingredient listings as soon as it comes out.
VTA ANNOUNCES VAPOR GAME PLAN 2018
VTA’S 2ND ANNUAL STATE STRATEGY & RETAILER CONFERENCE
On December 7, 2017, VTA will host its 2nd Annual State Strategy & Retailer Conference called Vapor Game Plan 2018 at the Donald E. Stephens Convention Center in Rosemont, Illinois. Back by popular demand, but this time in a central location, this VTA conference will focus on the strategies that state advocacy groups need to put in place to defend against the series of bills hostile to vapor that will be coming.
The full agenda is being finalized now, but you can expect another series of outstanding presentations on the core issues confronting our industry at the state level. In addition, this year retailers will benefit from presentations on legal, compliance, and business related issues necessary to navigating difficult waters of conducting business in a shifting regulatory landscape. Here are just some of the topics that will be covered:
Retail Vapeconomics 101
The Professional Face of State Advocacy
2018 State Strategies on Flavors & Taxes
Combatting Local Vapor Initiatives
VTA’s Local Defense Package
You NEED to be part of this conversation!
Here’s what some last year’s Vapor Game Plan participants had to say:
“Vape Industry People. Go to this! I went to DC last year for it and it was hands down the best advocacy / planning event that i have been to. Get real info from the top advocates, lawyers, doctors and lobbyists in the nation.”
– Reid Nuttall, Cool Clouds Vapor Shop, Illinois
“VTA never disappoints- they set themselves apart in a professional, organized, experienced, & transparent fashion. We always walk away with hope inspiration and a mission to succeed with a team behind us to support current & future needs for our industry!”
– Amelia & Ismael Rivera, Sabor Vapors, Pennsylvania
“I want to commend all those involved in making VTA’s First Annual State Strategy Meeting a success. I found the collaboration between the various organizations and individuals in attendance to be not only beneficial, but also reinvigorating. A welcomed refueling as we enter what will certainly prove to be a most interesting year for our industry. Thank you!”
– Vicki Vasconcellos, Smoke Free Alternatives Coalition of Illinois
“”I would like to say what a fantastic job the VTA is doing. This was one of the most informative conferences that I have been to and for once, the mood was optimistic. We discussed what we could do to save the industry and what is currently being done at both the state and federal level!”
– Nicole Crumley, Tennessee Smoke Free Association
To learn more about VTA, check us out at www.vaportechnology.organd www.SaveVapor.org. And, don’t forget to follow us onFacebook and Twitter.
Thanks for all you do to save vapor!
Tony Abboud
Executive Director
Vapor Technology Association
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