A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Prodna Yellow 35A 3500mAh 18650…a 10A LG battery, not IMR, DO NOT BUY
This cell has a hugely exaggerated 35A rating on the wrap. It can’t even be considered a pulse rating.
Any “max” or “pulse” rating is useless unless we know the length of the pulse, the time between the pulses, and the criteria used to set the rating (Voltage sag? Temperature? Run time? A combination of those?). Without knowing this, and all companies using the same pulse lengths, rest times, and criteria, we can’t use the max/pulse ratings for comparing any batteries. They are useless.
This battery says “IMR 18650” on the wrap but it does not use the battery chemistry associated with the IMR manufacturer’s model number prefix. It uses the “hybrid” chemistry sometimes identified with the INR prefix.
I placed an order on their web site for eight cells but they were never shipped and Prodna ignored several attempts over a period of weeks to contact them via two email addresses. I only received my money back after filing a claim with PayPal. All of the cells I eventually tested were donated.
This cell’s appearance and performance is close to the 10A high capacity LG cells like the MH1 and MJ1. I estimate this Prodna’s ratings to be 10A and 3100mAh. This cell’s huge overrating and misleading use of “IMR” earns it a Do Not Buy recommendation.
The cells I tested were donated by Wendy Vapes for that purpose. Thank you!
Ratings graphic: https://imgur.com/a/5Ycxh
These tests only note the estimated ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, LG, Panasonic, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using “rewrapped” batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.
Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack. Never exceed the battery’s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.
To see how other cells have tested check out this link: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/
A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Prodna Black 50A 3100mAh 18650…a 15A battery, not IMR, DO NOT BUY
This cell has a hugely exaggerated 50A rating on the wrap. It can’t even be considered a pulse rating.
Any “max” or “pulse” rating is useless unless we know the length of the pulse, the time between the pulses, and the criteria used to set the rating (Voltage sag? Temperature? Run time? A combination of those?). Without knowing this, and all companies using the same pulse lengths, rest times, and criteria, we can’t use the max/pulse ratings for comparing any batteries. They are useless.
This battery says “IMR 18650” on the wrap but it does not use the battery chemistry associated with the IMR manufacturer’s model number prefix. It uses the “hybrid” chemistry sometimes identified with the INR prefix.
I placed an order on their web site for eight cells but they were never shipped and Prodna ignored several attempts over a period of weeks to contact them via two email addresses. I only received my money back after filing a claim with PayPal. All of the cells I eventually tested were donated.
This cell’s appearance and performance is essentially identical to the Sony VTC6. I estimate this Prodna’s ratings to be 15A and 3000mAh. This cell’s huge overrating and misleading use of “IMR” earns it a Do Not Buy recommendation.
The cells I tested were donated for that purpose. Thank you!
Ratings graphic: https://imgur.com/a/fFH7B
These tests only note the estimated ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, LG, Panasonic, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using “rewrapped” batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.
Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack. Never exceed the battery’s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.
To see how other cells have tested check out this link: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/
A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Prodna Red 40A 3000mAh 18650…same as their 2500mAh, not IMR, DO NOT BUY
This cell has a hugely exaggerated 40A rating on the wrap. It can’t even be considered a pulse rating. It identical to their Purple 2500mAh cell…an LG HE2/HE4 rewrap!
Any “max” or “pulse” rating is useless unless we know the length of the pulse, the time between the pulses, and the criteria used to set the rating (Voltage sag? Temperature? Run time? A combination of those?). Without knowing this, and all companies using the same pulse lengths, rest times, and criteria, we can’t use the max/pulse ratings for comparing any batteries. They are useless.
This battery says “IMR 18650” on the wrap but it does not use the battery chemistry associated with the IMR manufacturer’s model number prefix. It uses the “hybrid” chemistry sometimes identified with the INR prefix.
The Prodna web site pages for their batteries use some sort of coiling kit contents list for the battery details and the reviews on the web site are still test reviews in the fake Latin used for placeholder text. This is confusing at best.
I placed an order on their web site for eight cells but they were never shipped and Prodna ignored several attempts over a period of weeks to contact them via two email addresses. I only received my money back after filing a claim with PayPal. All of the cells I eventually tested were donated.
This cell’s appearance and performance is essentially identical to the LG HE2 and HE4. I estimate this Prodna’s ratings to be 20A and 2500mAh. The LG HG2 is a clearly better choice as it hits harder and runs for longer than this cell.
Their use of the same cell for this “3000mAh” as they use for their 2500mAh cell and its huge overrating earns this cell a Do Not Buy recommendation.
The cells were donated for the purposes of testing. Thank you!
Ratings graphic: https://imgur.com/a/MNXwW
These tests only note the estimated ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, LG, Panasonic, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using “rewrapped” batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.
Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack. Never exceed the battery’s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.
To see how other cells have tested check out this link: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/
A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Prodna Purple 40A 2500mAh 18650…ridiculously overrated, not IMR
This cell has a hugely exaggerated 40A rating on the wrap. It can’t even be considered a pulse rating.
Any “max” or “pulse” rating is useless unless we know the length of the pulse, the time between the pulses, and the criteria used to set the rating (Voltage sag? Temperature? Run time? A combination of those?). Without knowing this, and all companies using the same pulse lengths, rest times, and criteria, we can’t use the max/pulse ratings for comparing any batteries. They are useless.
This battery says “IMR 18650” on the wrap but it does not use the battery chemistry associated with the IMR manufacturer’s model number prefix. It uses the “hybrid” chemistry sometimes identified with the INR prefix.
The Prodna web site pages for their batteries use some sort of coiling kit contents list for the battery details and the reviews on the web site are still test reviews in the fake Latin used for placeholder text. This is confusing at best.
I placed an order on their web site for eight cells but they were never shipped and Prodna ignored several attempts over a period of weeks to contact them via two email addresses. I only received my money back after filing a claim with PayPal. All of the cells I eventually tested were donated.
This cell’s appearance is essentially identical to the LG HE2 and HE4. Its performance is identical to the HE4 and very close to the HE2. I estimate this Prodna’s ratings to be 20A and 2500mAh.
The cells were donated for the purposes of testing. Thank you!
Ratings graphic: https://imgur.com/a/9kBNg
These tests only note the estimated ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, LG, Panasonic, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using “rewrapped” batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.
Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack. Never exceed the battery’s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.
To see how other cells have tested check out this link: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/
A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Golisi S30 Black 35A 3000mAh 18650…overrated but they’re rewrapping
This cell claims a 35A continuous current rating and 3000mAh capacity. These are both exaggerated but Golisi has agreed to rewrap these cells with a 25A rating before March 2018.
While I was quite disappointed to see the exaggerated ratings I am glad they say they will be rewrapping these cells with more realistic ratings. At its claimed 35A continuous rating it delivered less than 100mAh down to 3.2V. At a 0.5A discharge it only delivered 2846mAh.
This appears to be a China-manufactured cell as it doesn’t match any Samsung, Sony, LG, or Panasonic/Sanyo that I have. Golisi’s discharge graph shows a cell with much better performance than the four I tested. I had a couple of discussions with Golisi about the differences between the factory’s test results and mine but we weren’t able to resolve anything. I am unable to explain the discrepancy.
The four cells I tested showed the typical variance in capacity and internal resistance for China-manufactured cells. I don’t think these cell-to-cell differences are noticeable when vaping though.
Golisi has compared this cell’s performance to the 20A 2500mAh LG HE2 in a Facebook post. Its voltage while running and capacity are a bit worse than the HE2 down to 3.2V but the Golisi does run a few degrees-C cooler.
I estimate this Golisi’s ratings to be 22A and 2800mAh.
DC Internal Resistance = 22.2mOhms (milliohms) average for the four cells.
Total energy delivered down to 3.2V at 10A continuous = 6.44Wh (Watt-hours) average
Total energy delivered down to 3.2V at 20A continuous = 3.64Wh (Watt-hours) average
Four cells were donated for the purposes of testing by Golisi (www.golisi.com). Thank you!
Ratings graphic: https://imgur.com/a/IKjDL
These tests only note the estimated ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, LG, Panasonic, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using “rewrapped” batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.
Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack. Never exceed the battery’s current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.
To see how other cells have tested check out this link: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/
A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Brillipower 30A 4100mAh 20700…ridiculously overrated
This cell has a hugely exaggerated current rating. Discharged continuously at its claimed 30A rating the voltage sag makes this cell almost useless. It delivered only about 350mAh down to 3.2V at 30A, getting hot enough to boil water…dangerously hot.
This cell’s appearance is identical to the Sanyo NCR20700B but its performance is a bit worse than the Sanyo. I estimate this Brillipower’s ratings to be 15A and 4000mAh.
Two cells were donated for the purposes of testing by The Cloudy Vapor (www.thecloudyvapor.com). Thank you!
Ratings graphic: https://imgur.com/a/RneEJ
Test results, discharge graph, photos: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/threads/bench-test-results-brillipower-30a-4100mah-20700…ridiculously-overrated.844559/
These tests only note the estimated ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, LG, Panasonic, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using “rewrapped” batteries so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.
Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. Never exceed the battery’s current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.
All my test results to date: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/
MERRY CHRISTMAS & HAPPY NEW YEAR!
This Christmas Eve I’m very blessed to be surrounded by my family. I’m wishing the same for you.
- I started this adventure as a way to help people find what I found…
- What I was excited about…
- After all the fails, finally something that worked…
- A safer alternative to traditional, combustible, tobacco cigarettes…
VAPING!
Along the way I’ve met some amazing people. I’ve met many of you. For that too, I am blessed.
Don’t ever call yourselves fans… you are my friends and for that I am forever grateful.
I hope to carry that tradition on far into the future. With every video I make, every show I attend, every effort I give, and every single email or comment I respond to…
To inspire people to give up their cigarettes and make the switch to vaping, or help people stick with it.
To those who have already made the switch… CONGRATULATIONS!! Wishing you many MANY more smoke-free years in your future.
To those who have not… let’s talk! You too can do it and I’ll be congratulating you, as well, soon enough!
- A very special THANK YOU to my wife Tricia, who through her understand and support, allow me to spend so much time with all of you!
- My family and friends who sacrifice time together for time with vaping!
- To Dimitris who gets up every day thinking about how he can make my life easier and better. 🙂
- To Innokin for believing in us, our ideas, and being instrumental in turning them and Platform into a reality!
- To the entire LaVape Shop team and Ali Shehry for being instrumental in bringing Vape Bromance to life!
- To all those companies and vendors who sent me their products for review in 2017 and have already packed the review queue for 2018!
You will never know how much you all mean to me!
Wishing you all the best for a very Merry Christmas and Happy, Healthy, and Prosperous New Year!
THE NEW INNOKIN STORE
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FROM THE VTA – Unified Vapor Letter Sent to Congress to Change the Predicate Date
FROM THE VTA BOARD OF DIRECTORS
On December 11, 2017, VTA along with the Consumer Advocates for Smoke-free Alternatives Association (“CASAA”), the American Vaping Association (“AVA”), and the Smoke Free Alternatives Trade Association (“SFATA”), issued our Unified Front Letter to the vapor industry advising that the time was close to step up and support our call to action to change the predicate date, as part of the pending FY 2018 Appropriations process.
That same day, the American E-Liquid Manufacturing Standards Association (“AEMSA”) announced that it had taken a remarkable unilateral action that directly conflicted with the will of the overwhelming majority of the vapor industry. Specifically, AEMSA announced that it sent a letter to House and Senate leaders in the United States Congress, including Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer and House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi, directly attacking a legitimate and important legislative strategy that VTA and every other advocacy organization has been pursuing for the past three years. In so doing, AEMSA purported to speak on behalf of the entire vapor industry in declaring to Congressional leaders that it would be a mistake to change the predicate date, andclaiming that our industry doesn’t need additional short-term relief. In sending their letter, AEMSA demonstrated a complete disregard of the powerful Members of Congress who have graciously stepped forward to champion our industry.
In an effort to mitigate whatever damage AEMSA’s letter may have caused, we were pleased send a Unified Vapor industry letter, from VTA, AVA, CASAA and SFATA, encouraging our Congressional leaders to do the right thing and change the predicate date. Here are examples of the Unified Vapor Letter (House) and the Unified Vapor Letter (Senate) that VTA’s team delivered to the Hill on December 14, 2017.
Individuals and groups may disagree on policy and strategy. However, nothing gives one group license to undermine years of important relationship building and issue building in Congress simply because it has a “strong belief” in another approach. Similarly, nothing justifies one group tearing down a legitimate legislative strategy that could be enormously beneficial to small and mid-sized companies right now, based on the notion that they have a better idea and might be able to secure something better at some point in the distant future.
So, if someone tells you their way is better, if they promise a “permanent” fix, if they tell you that they can solve your entire problem, or tell you that they are going to take vapor out of the Tobacco Control Act, that’s great. Just make sure you ask all the hard questions like, what is the strategy, who is the team that will execute it, how are you going to generate support in the House and Senate, and where are the funds coming from to make it happen? Absent answers to these questions, you are just being offered ideas and words.
To that end, our fights are not ideological and not hypothetical. They are real, they are present, and the clock is ticking. Effective advocacy requires that we engage in strategies that can bring relief to our industry, engage in battles that are winnable, and that we build on prior success. Our industry does not have the luxury of hope. We are in a pitched battle and if we are repeatedly distracted from singularly focusing on our real enemies, we’ll wake up one day with a basket full of beliefs but no believers in government.
As we look forward to another year, we invite all of you to join our continuing efforts to level the playing field and secure a bright future for the vapor industry in the U.S. by working simultaneously with Congress and the Administration. For more information on why this one prong of our multi-pronged strategy is important to small, mid-sized and large companies alike, please read our Changing the Predicate Date Summary and FAQ.
Thank you,
VTA Board of Directors
NEW FROM REGULATOR WATCH – Case Closed | Study Shows No Lung Damage From Vaping
Here’s the latest from Brent Stafford at Regulator Watch:
No lung damage. That’s the key finding from the first of its kind long-term study investigating the health impacts of vaping.
Conducted by Dr. Riccardo Polosa, world-renowned researcher and director of the Institute for Internal Medicine & Clinical Immunology at the University of Catania in Italy, the study measured and tracked the health outcomes of a cohort of daily e-cigarette users for 3.5-years.
The results shatter the myths promulgated by public health propagandists in the Progressives’ war against vaping.
Get the story in this exclusive interview with Dr. Polosa—only on RegWatch by RegulatorWatch.com.
Produced by: Brent Stafford
Released December 19, 2017
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Schizophrenia. It’s one of the most challenging mental illnesses to treat as thought, emotion and behavior is held in fine balance and is easily knocked out of whack.
Nicotine and the ritual of smoking play an enormous role in helping schizophrenia patients cope with their illness and experts say nicotine replacement products such as patches, gum and sprays are ineffective treatments.
Could vaping be a magic bullet? Find out in this exclusive interview with Dr. Riccardo Polosa, world-renowned researcher and director of the Institute for Internal Medicine & Clinical Immunology at the University of Catania in Italy.
Produced by: Brent Stafford
Released December 19, 2017
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