A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Vapcell Gold 30A 3100mAh 20700…a great 30A battery, beats VTC5A and 5-leg top contact 20700’s
This cell was a joy to test. It performed well, both its continuous current and capacity ratings are accurate, and only the continuous current rating is on the wrap of the cell.
This Vapcell outperforms both the Sony VTC5A and the 5-leg top contact 20700’s, hitting harder and running for longer. This cell roughly matches the Sanyo NCR20700A at 10A but the Sanyo is still the better performer at high current levels.
Both cells I tested delivered more than 3100mAh when discharged at 0.5A down to 2.5V. I am estimating this Vapcell’s ratings at 30A and 3100mAh.
Two cells were donated for the purposes of testing by Vapcell (http://www.vapcelltech.com). Thank you!
Ratings graphic: https://imgur.com/a/s5wC2
These tests only note the estimated ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, LG, Panasonic, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using “rewrapped” batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.
Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack. Never exceed the battery’s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.
Any rating in the tables can change at any time as different grade cells appear on the market or we get swamped with fakes. Please, never assume that the ratings in the table are permanent and will never change! Always download the latest version before considering any cell purchase.
To see how other cells have tested check out this link: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/
THE SMOKER’S SHOW – EPISODE #4 – WELCOME BATTERY MOOCH!
Here is Episode #4 of the Smoker’s Show
In this episode we’re joined by our special guest, Battery Mooch!
“Mooch”, AKA John Muchow, is well known in the industry as the “battery guy” and is quite popular on the ECF. I’ve worked with Mooch several times in the background and he’s always been very helpful and knowledgeable in answering my questions.
Mr. Mooch goes over battery information, battery safety and takes your calls as well.
Mooch’s Contact and Social Media Information (Information can also be found in the slides):
ECF Blog
Facebook
Reddit
YouTube
Instagram – batterymooch
The Smoker’s Show is a vape show not for vapers, but for smokers.
A show to get information about vaping, to debunk vaping myths, to discuss vaping terminology & technology, and to look at and review starter kits for the transitioning smoker.
We urge all vapers to invite those they know who still smoke to watch the show!
Thank you all for your support and let’s convert more smokers together!
Thank you to our Sponsors!
*NOTE: Any use of these videos in part or in their entirety without Phil Busardo’s and Dimitris Agrafiotis’s expressed written consent is strictly prohibited.
See all the Episodes HERE.
SLIDES USED IN THE SHOW:
JOHN’S (MOOCH’S) SLIDES:
Powerpoint containing the Smoker’s Show slides can also be downloaded HERE.
FROM CASAA – Vaping needs a human voice
The word around Capitol Hill is that this week is the final week for lawmakers to make their decisions on final language for the US budget appropriations bill. We have until Friday, March 9th to urge officials to support a predicate date change for vapor products (section 753).
We need your help in humanizing the tobacco harm reduction movement and your story is central to this effort.
Please visit August8th.org and click on the phone icon.
Click on “Call Me” and we’ll connect you with your senators.
Points to discuss on your call with your senators:
- Briefly, share your story about how switching to vaping has helped you.
- Politely tell staff that you would like your senator to support modernizing the predicate date for vapor products.
- Make sure you thank staff for taking the time to listen to your comments.
If you get a recording, please leave a message.
Also remember to follow up with an email and a tweet. Just like making a call, we’ll connect you at August8th.org.
Thank you for your participation and support,
Alex Clark
CEO, CASAA
TONIGHT ON THE SMOKER’S SHOW!
Tonight on the Smoker’s Show, we welcome our special guest, Battery Mooch!
“Mooch”, AKA John Muchow, is well known in the industry as the “battery guy” and is quite popular on the ECF. I’ve worked with Mooch several times in the background and he’s always been very helpful and knowledgeable in answering my questions.
Mr. Mooch will be going over battery information and safety and taking your calls as well.
Have a smoker in your life, please send them to the show!
Click the flyer to be taken directly to the show or HERE!
FROM VAPING.COM & DOCTOR FARSALINOS – Leading Doctor Questions ‘Metals Found in Vaping’ research
As many of you know, a study has recently come out regarding metals found in e-cig vapor.
For those of you who would like to see that study, you can do so here…
Study: Lead and other toxic metals found in e-cigarette ‘vapors’
Many of you emailed me with concerns about that study, and I responded with something I received from Dr. Farsalinos:
The “significant amount” of metals the authors reported they found were measured in ug/kg. In fact they are so low that for some cases (chromium and lead) I calculated that you need to vape more than 100 ml per day in order to exceed the FDA limits for daily intake from inhalational medications. The authors once again confuse themselves and everyone else by using environmental safety limits related to exposure with every single breath, and apply them to vaping. However, humans take more than 17,000 (thousand) breaths per day but only 400-600 puffs per day from an e-cigarette.
Now Vaping.com has released a post with further detail from Dr. F. You can see that post here…
Leading Doctor Questions ‘Metals Found in Vaping’ research
A LEADING doctor has poured cold water on a report which claims e-cigarette users are inhaling significant amounts of lead and toxic metals.
I hope this helps!
FROM THE VTA – Important ECig Intelligence Survey
INTELLIGENT LEADERSHIP REQUIRES INTELLIGENCE
Our friends at ECigIntelligence are conducting an important survey that will help tell the story of the diversity and strength of our vapor industry and we are asking every vapor company and vape shop to take a few mintues to complete the survey.
Surveys are only as good as those who participate and only as good as the information you provide. So, please take the time to do your part and help us create the most accurate picture of how vape shops and vape companies contribute to our economy.
Per ECigIntelligence, the specific information you provide will be kept confidential by ECigIntelligence and will not be shared with anyone. Instead, your responses will be aggregated with all the others so that the combined information will enable us to paint the best picture of the vapor industry with the decision makers in Washington D.C. and in your states.
Click here or on the ECigIntelligence icon below to take the survey now!
Thank you for taking the time to participate today.
A BATTERY MOOCH POST: EHPRO Green-Black 3000mAh 40A 18650…a 15A battery, EHPRO says do not use with e-cigs!
EHPRO markets this cell to vapers but their web site clearly states it’s not meant for use with e-cigarettes and that it is a serious misuse of the cell. We’ve seen retail vendors do this, it’s just a standard liability statement, but when the battery wrapping company does this with their own cells then is it done at our expense?
What should we do when a company is willing to sell us something, pocket the profits, and then say not to use what we bought? If you didn’t buy direct from their web site you’d never know they say not to use with e-cigs. Just something to consider. This is different than what Sony and LG do as they do not market to vapers and they actively try to keep us from using their cells.
Since EHPRO does not want anyone to use this cell with any vaping device I am giving it a Do Not Buy recommendation.
There is no rating on this cell other than “40A MAX”. But if you go to the EHPRO web site it says it has a 32A continuous rating.
No customer should have to go on a quest to hunt down the continuous rating of a cell they are using. Any “max”, “pulse”, or “max pulse” rating is useless as we don’t know the pulse length, time between pulses, and the criteria they used to set the rating (temperature? voltage sag? cycle life? A combination of those or other things?). We’re not able to compare this cell’s pulse rating to any other’s.
Unfortunately, the 32A continuous rating is HUGELY exaggerated. This EHPRO appears and performs identically to the VTC6. Sony rates the VTC6 at 15A continuous. There is a non-continuous rating of 30A if you don’t let the VTC6 exceed 80°C but that will accelerate aging of the cell and is not recommended. The voltage sag will be huge too.
I am rating this EHPRO at 15A and 3000mAh for any non-vaping use.
Two cells were donated for the purposes of testing by EHPRO (http://www.ehpropower.com). Thank you!
Ratings graphic: https://imgur.com/a/Ujs5J
These tests only note the estimated ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, LG, Panasonic, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using “rewrapped” batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.
Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack. Never exceed the battery’s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.
Any rating in the tables can change at any time as different grade cells appear on the market or we get swamped with fakes. Please, never assume that the ratings in the table are permanent and will never change! Always download the latest version before considering any cell purchase.
To see how other cells have tested check out this link: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/
A BATTERY MOOCH POST: EHPRO Silver-Black 2600mAh 40A 18650…EHPRO says do not use with e-cigs!
EHPRO markets this cell to vapers but their web site clearly states it’s not meant for use with e-cigarettes and that it is a serious misuse of the cell. We’ve seen retail vendors do this, it’s just a standard liability statement, but when the battery wrapping company does this with their own cells then is it done at our expense?
What should we do when a company is willing to sell us something, pocket the profits, and then say not to use what we bought? Just something to consider. This is different than what Sony and LG do as they do not market to vapers and they actively try to keep us from using their cells.
Since EHPRO does not want anyone to use this cell with any vaping device I am giving it a Do Not Buy recommendation.
There is no rating on this cell other than “40A MAX”. But if you go to the EHPRO web site it says it has a 32A continuous rating. This cell doesn’t even have the tiny “max continuous discharge” and “max pulse discharge” ratings on the wrap that the 2000mAh and 2200mAh cells have.
No customer should have to go on a quest to hunt down the continuous rating of a cell they are using. Any “max”, “pulse”, or “max pulse” rating is useless as we don’t know the pulse length, time between pulses, and the criteria they used to set the rating (temperature? voltage sag? cycle life? A combination of those or other things?). We’re not able to compare this cell’s pulse rating to any other’s.
Unfortunately, the 32A rating is exaggerated a bit and results in short cycle life too. This appears to be a VTC5A rewrap…for now. That is an expensive cell to rewrap and anyone purchasing this cell to get VTC5A’s should carefully examine and test the cell to make sure it’s still a VTC5A that’s being rewrapped.
While Sony rates the VTC5A at 30A continuous that results in a shorter cycle life. This is why I rate the VTC5A at 25A, to give the VTC5A about the same cycle life as other cells you might be comparing it too. If we allowed other cells to get that hot their ratings would be higher too.
This EHPRO’s capacity rating of 2600mAh matches the “nominal” (typical) capacity rating of the VTC5A but the “rated” capacity (the number I use) of the VTC5A is 2500mAh.
I am rating this EHPRO at 25A and 2500mAh for any non-vaping use.
Two cells were donated for the purposes of testing by EHPRO (http://www.ehpropower.com). Thank you!
Ratings graphic: https://imgur.com/a/qMylK
These tests only note the estimated ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, LG, Panasonic, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using “rewrapped” batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.
Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack. Never exceed the battery’s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.
Any rating in the tables can change at any time as different grade cells appear on the market or we get swamped with fakes. Please, never assume that the ratings in the table are permanent and will never change! Always download the latest version before considering any cell purchase.
To see how other cells have tested check out this link: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/
A BATTERY MOOCH POST: EHPRO Red-Black 2200mAh 40A 18650…preposterously overrated, DO NOT BUY
This is one of the most overrated cells I have ever tested. Do not buy it.
The EHPRO Facebook page says it’s a 40A cell and the wrap has large letters that rate this cell at 40A “max”. The EHPRO web site does not have this cell on it.
On the wrap, in the tiniest lettering I’ve ever seen on a cell, it says it’s rated 25A continuous and 40A “max pulse discharge”. This cell only delivered 56mAh (yes, only fifty-six) at 25A continuous down to 3.2V.
The 40A pulse rating is useless as we don’t know the pulse length, time between pulses, and the criteria they used to set the rating (Temperature? Voltage sag? Cycle life? A combination of those or other things?). We’re not able to compare this cell’s pulse rating to any other’s. Pulsing this cell at 40A would cause its voltage to instantly collapse anyway.
This is a disasterously poor performing cell. I am giving this EHPRO cell an estimated rating of 5A and unknown capacity as it’s not worth my time testing it further. Watt-hour and internal resistance measurements were not done due to its Do Not Buy recommendation.
Two cells were donated for the purposes of testing by EHPRO (http://www.ehpropower.com). Thank you!
Ratings graphic: https://imgur.com/a/NCDFk
These tests only note the estimated ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, LG, Panasonic, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using “rewrapped” batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.
Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack. Never exceed the battery’s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.
Any rating in the tables can change at any time as different grade cells appear on the market or we get swamped with fakes. Please, never assume that the ratings in the table are permanent and will never change! Always download the latest version before considering any cell purchase.
To see how other cells have tested check out this link: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/
A BATTERY MOOCH POST: EHPRO Pink-Black 2000mAh 35A 18650…a poor performing 20A battery
This EHPRO doesn’t match any Samsung, Sony, LG, or Panasonic/Sanyo cell I have. I do not know if it is a China-manufactured cell.
The EHPRO Facebook page says it’s a 35A cell and the wrap has large letters that rate this cell at 35A “max”. The EHPRO web site does not have this cell on it.
On the wrap, in the tiniest lettering I’ve ever seen on a cell, it says it’s rated 20A continuous and 35A “max pulse discharge”. This pulse rating is useless as we don’t know the pulse length, time between pulses, and the criteria they used to set the rating (Temperature? Voltage sag? Cycle life? A combination of those or other things?). We’re not able to compare this cell’s pulse rating to any other’s.
Why is the lettering for the continuous rating so small but the 35A “max” rating so large? Why is this only referred to as a 35A cell on their Facebook page? Things that make you go hmm…
This is a poor performing cell with a lot of voltage sag. The Samsung 20R, having the same 2000mAh capacity rating as this EHPRO, ran almost twice as long at 20A down to 3.2V. I am giving this EHPRO cell an estimated rating of 20A and 2000mAh.
Watt-hour and internal resistance measurements were not done as this is a poor performing, overrated cell. The inexpensive Samsung 25R runs for more than twice as long at 20A, runs several degrees cooler, is widely available, and performs a lot better too.
Two cells were donated for the purposes of testing by EHPRO (http://www.ehpropower.com). Thank you!
Ratings graphic: https://imgur.com/a/SFIPR
These tests only note the estimated ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, LG, Panasonic, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using “rewrapped” batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.
Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack. Never exceed the battery’s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.
Any rating in the tables can change at any time as different grade cells appear on the market or we get swamped with fakes. Please, never assume that the ratings in the table are permanent and will never change! Always download the latest version before considering any cell purchase.
To see how other cells have tested check out this link: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/
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