A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Aspire 35A 3000mAh 18650…preposterously overrated, incorrect Aspire data
This one made me angry. Aspire has a good reputation so my expectations were high. But for this cell they decided to roll us back a couple years and use a hugely exaggerated current rating without mentioning it is some sort of “pulse” rating.
The wrap on this cell just says “35A”. We can only assume, since there is no (useless) “max” or pulse” designation, that it means this cell is rated to 35A even for a continuous discharge. Except that during a continuous discharge at that level the cell gets hot enough to boil water and one cell failed during its first discharge at 35A.
Some other concerns…
A paper insert included with the cell seems to indicate that they are claiming this cell has a continuous rating of 20A. A “Vaping Simulation” rating of 30A is also given by them on the insert. Where does the 35A rating on the wrap come from then?
What happens if this paper insert is lost or cells are taken out of their boxes for display in a shop? There would be no indication as to how exaggerated the 35A number on the wrap was.
The discharge graph for this cell on Aspire’s web site, now deleted but included below, showed temperatures about 20°C lower than I measured, a huge difference. I am unable to explain this. The temperatures on Aspire’s discharge graph don’t match those on their paper insert either.
The four cells I tested delivered 2944mAh, 2964mAh, 2989mAh, and 3077mAh at 0.6A (0.2C) down to 2.5V. Only one of the four met its 3000mAh rating. One other came close though. But every cell should easily beat the capacity spec as it’s just a minimum guaranteed value. It should not be the maximum you can expect.
These cells performed a bit worse than LG HG2’s but it’s probably not noticeable in a regulated mod. The shorter run time of this Aspire versus a 30Q or VTC6 might be noticeable though.
I am estimating this Aspire’s ratings at 20A and 2900mAh. It appears to be a China manufactured cell, probably from Long Deli New Energy Company, Ltd., which Aspire has used before.
Immediately after testing I fired off an email to Aspire basically yelling at them for all the things mentioned above. We spent a lot of time talking and I agreed to include a statement from them in this test report. I’m happy to say that they are willing to take the unsold stock of this battery and rewrap them all with more accurate ratings.
Four cells were donated for the purposes of testing by Aspire (http://www.aspirecig.com). Thank you!
Aspire’s statement: https://imgur.com/a/U1Yp5J3
Ratings graphic: https://imgur.com/a/jeyl0fo
Test report: https://bit.ly/2O0TU0t
These tests only note the estimated ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, LG, Panasonic, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using “rewrapped” batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.
Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack. Never exceed the battery’s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.
Any rating in my ratings tables can change at any time as different grade cells appear on the market, we get swamped with fakes, or new information becomes available to me. Please, never assume that the ratings in the tables are permanent and will never change! Always download the latest version before considering any cell purchase.
NEW FROM REGULATOR WATCH – Flavor Fight | FDA Should Listen to People Not Bots
Hundreds of thousands of fake comment submissions have ground FDA’s regulatory process over the proposed regulation of flavors in vaping products to a halt.
As RegWatch first reported, a minimum of 250,000 bot submitted fake form-letters that are anti-flavors and anti-vaping in nature overwhelmed servers at Regulations.gov putting the entire public consultation process at risk. FDA could decide to throw out all submissions, including legitimate testimonials, provided by tens of thousands of vapers.
The vaping industry is fighting back. The Vapor Technology Association, a leading industry trade group, is running a coordinated public comment campaign to help vapers make an impactful “declaration” to the FDA on why flavors are essential to vaping.
In this extended edition of RegWatch, hear from VTA’s executive director Tony Abboud and learn what the strategy is going forward, to save flavors.
Only on RegWatch by RegulatorWatch.com
Produced by: Brent Stafford
Released: July 17, 2018
A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Sony VT4 (not VTC4)…a 20A 2000mAh battery, VTC4 performs better, might be lower grade cells
This is the VT4, not the VTC4. While both are similarly rated the VT4 didn’t perform as well.
The two cells I tested delivered 2130mAh and 2156mAh at 0.4A (0.2C) down to 2.5V. This cell’s rated capacity is 2000mAh and its nominal capacity rating is 2100mAh. I try to use the rated capacity as that is the guaranteed minimum but I think most of them will deliver 2100mAh (at low current levels).
The two cells ran a little hot at 22A in my testing for that to be their continuous rating. I am estimating this Sony’s ratings to be 20A and 2100mAh.
While these are not bad performing cells at all the VTC4 performs better at 10A and much better at 20A. Considering the high internal resistance I measured for the VT4’s they could be lower grade cells as Sony does not overrate.
Two cells were donated for the purposes of testing by 18650BatteryStore (http://www.18650batterystore). Thank you!
Ratings graphic: https://imgur.com/a/ooWbW3x
Test report: https://bit.ly/2moUgl7
I want to work for the vaping community full time! If you feel what I do is worth a couple dollars a month and you would like early access to battery availability and testing news and a say in what I test then please consider becoming a patron and supporting my testing efforts: https://www.patreon.com/batterymooch
These tests only note the estimated ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, LG, Panasonic, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using “rewrapped” batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.
Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack. Never exceed the battery’s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.
Any rating in my ratings tables can change at any time as different grade cells appear on the market, we get swamped with fakes, or new information becomes available to me. Please, never assume that the ratings in the tables are permanent and will never change! Always download the latest version before considering any cell purchase.
To see how other cells have tested check out this link: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/
A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Vapcell Gold 30A 3100mAh 20700 Testing Update
A quick recap: It appears that Vapcell is now wrapping a lower current rated cell, estimated in the 20A-25A range.
What I am doing now: I have received four cells I ordered from Liion Wholesale and four more I ordered from Illumn are on the way. I have also received two from Eciggity (arranged by Vapcell) and four more are being sent by Economy Ecigs Distro, the ones who sent me the first set of lower rated cells.
No cells are being sent directly from Vapcell. No cell will be accepted without the clear outer heat shrink added when they were initially wrapped. I am confident that none of the cells I am testing have been “cherry picked” but, if true, it is easily confirmed by comparing their performance to the others. If any company ever tries crap like that there will be hell to pay.
I am making this retesting a priority.
I will be doing physical examinations and AC and DC internal resistance, capacity, and discharge testing of these fourteen cells to try to figure out what the hell is going on.
This is going to take a lot of work so my response time to the questions I get every day will get longer. Please, be patient.
As soon as I have more information I will post it.
Please do not send me pictures asking me what version of this cell you have. Compare your cells to the pictures I have posted. If you are not sure, assume they are rated 20A.
Photos: https://imgur.com/a/GXjagS1
This and another recent incident, to be posted about soon, have pushed me far enough. I’m not happy about the abuse I am taking from every angle just because these companies are using exaggerated ratings, inconsistent performing cells (they often don’t even know about), switching cells, or using lower grade Samsung, Sony, etc., cells whenever they want.
New ratings methods for China manufactured cells are being created. If companies want to use these cells, fine. But the ratings will reflect the actual inconsistency of their performance. I imagine lots of people will be pissed off with the new ratings but this is the hand we have been dealt by these companies. More info about this in a week or two.
Dammit…
THE VAPORESSO POLAR (AGAIN) AND A NEW CONTEST!
A PBusardo Review – The Vaporesso Polar Kit (Again) + New Contest!
In this video we take another look at the Vaporesso Polar.
Did they fix the issues? Well… kinda. Take a look. This time it get’s the “Full Busardo”.
The Links:
The Video:
*NOTE: Any use of these videos in part or in their entirety without Phil Busardo’s expressed written consent is strictly prohibited.
The Photos:
The Test Sheet:
ReviewForm - Vaporesso Polar
NEW FROM REGULATOR WATCH – Deep Vape | Battle to Legalize Vaping in Canada w. Shaun Casey | CVE 2018
As war stories go, no one tells it better than the man at the center of the battle to legalize vaping in Canada: Shaun Casey. As the president of the Canadian Vaping Association, he’s played a pivotal role in guiding the industry through the minefield of what is now newly minted regulation. While at the same time, fighting fiercely for vaper rights and the long-term viability of Canada’s vaping industry.
In this special in-depth edition of RegWatch, we sit down with Casey at Canada’s Vape Expo in Toronto to talk wins, losses and what’s next in the fight to save vaping.
Only on RegWatch by RegulatorWatch.com
Produced by: Brent Stafford
Released: July 11, 2018
THE ASPIRE SPRYTE AIO + LAST CONTEST WINNER!
A PBusardo Review – The Aspire Spryte AIO + Last Contest Winner!
In this video we take a look at the Aspire Spryte AIO, a wildly satisfying little device. We also find out who one the last “Not A” Contest and add a Spryte to the prize pack!
The Links:
Aspire
Vapor DNA
Vandy Vape
VapeFly
GeekVape
Smok Tech
The Video:
*NOTE: Any use of these videos in part or in their entirety without Phil Busardo’s expressed written consent is strictly prohibited.
The Photos:
A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Golisi S26 25A 2600mAh 18650…almost accurately rated, useless “max” rating, good performer
While this cell has a useless large 35A “max” current rating on the wrap it has an accurate continuous current rating. Its capacity rating is slightly exaggerated though.
I am thrilled that the continuous discharge rating (CDR) is mentioned on the wrap but I hate seeing the use of a “max” current rating. I hope Golisi removes the max rating soon.
The four cells I tested delivered 2577mAh, 2580mAh, 2586mAh, and 2600mAh at 0.5A down to 2.5V. Only of the four met its 2600mAh rating and barely at that.
These cells performed pretty well. While the Sony VTC5A outperforms it for the first half of a 25A discharge this cell matches the VTC5A for the rest.
I am estimating this Golisi’s ratings at 25A and 2550mAh.
Golisi wanted our community to know that they have product liability insurance for their batteries. I don’t know the specifics of what benefits this offers to vapers or vendors. Contact Golisi for more information.
Four cells were donated for the purposes of testing by Golisi (http://www.golisi.com). Thank you!
Ratings graphic: https://imgur.com/a/BZnDVkl
Test report: https://bit.ly/2u5iCVk
I want to work for the vaping community full time! If you feel what I do is worth a couple dollars a month and you would like early access to battery availability and testing news and a say in what I test then please consider becoming a patron and supporting my testing efforts: https://www.patreon.com/batterymooch
These tests only note the estimated ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, LG, Panasonic, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using “rewrapped” batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.
Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack. Never exceed the battery’s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.
Any rating in my ratings tables can change at any time as different grade cells appear on the market, we get swamped with fakes, or new information becomes available to me. Please, never assume that the ratings in the tables are permanent and will never change! Always download the latest version before considering any cell purchase.
A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Golisi S32 30A 3200mAh…almost accurately rated but useless “max” rating, similar to Vapcell gold 30A 3100mAh
While this cell has a useless large 40A “max” current rating on the wrap it has an accurate continuous current rating. Its capacity rating is slightly exaggerated though.
I am thrilled that the continuous discharge rating (CDR) is mentioned on the wrap but I hate seeing the use of a “max” current rating, particularly when it’s printed a lot larger than the CDR. I hope Golisi removes the max rating soon.
The two cells I tested delivered 3112mAh and 3181mAh at 0.5A down to 2.5V.
These cells performed well, essentially equal to the Vapcell gold 30A 3100mAh 20700 cell.
I am estimating this Golisi’s ratings at 30A and 3100mAh.
Golisi wanted our community to know that they have product liability insurance for their batteries. I don’t know the specifics of what benefits this offers to vapers or vendors. Contact Golisi for more information.
Two cells were donated for the purposes of testing by Golisi (http://www.golisi.com). Thank you!
Ratings graphic: https://imgur.com/a/KH4zyCW
Test report: https://bit.ly/2NAJrsn
I want to work for the vaping community full time! If you feel what I do is worth a couple dollars a month and you would like early access to battery availability and testing news and a say in what I test then please consider becoming a patron and supporting my testing efforts: https://www.patreon.com/batterymooch
These tests only note the estimated ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, LG, Panasonic, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using “rewrapped” batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.
Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack. Never exceed the battery’s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.
Any rating in my ratings tables can change at any time as different grade cells appear on the market, we get swamped with fakes, or new information becomes available to me. Please, never assume that the ratings in the tables are permanent and will never change! Always download the latest version before considering any cell purchase.
To see how other cells have tested check out this link: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/
NEW FROM REGULATOR WATCH – Flavor Spam | Fake Anti-Vaping Comments Flood FDA
In a bitter battle to destroy vaping, bad actors have spammed over 255,000 fake ‘anti-vaping’ comments into the system overseeing the public consultation process for FDA’s proposed rulemaking on the Regulation of Flavors in Tobacco Products. Regulations that could include: restrictions on flavors or an outright flavor ban.
FDA sources tell RegWatch; the spammed entry of over a quarter-million fake comments is “extraordinary” and “unprecedented”. It nearly brought down federal servers and so bogged-down the internal network it’s become next-to-impossible to process any submissions at all. It’s a massive assault on the credibility of the public consultation process.
Who did it? Was it Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids?
Find out – Only on RegWatch by RegulatorWatch.com
Produced by: Brent Stafford
Released: July 7, 2018
Store
