Category: THE GATES

Received an interesting mail from Kanger today…

dear PBusardo:
Thank you , kanger have change the technology, so I think have not plastic tast for t3 now.

And before you poke fun at their English, at least they try. I sure as hell can’t speak Chinese.

So sounds like they may know about the problem and have implemented some kind of solution. I’m trying to find out more.

Although I haven’t heard anything directly from Boge, I was notified of a post from Boge on their website.

You can see the post HERE.

My guess is that I’m not the only one who is bugging them about their cartos!

I continue to use my old brick of Boges cartos with the hope that things will correct themselves when I’m ready to buy again.

I also continue to hear both good and bad on the new Boges cartos.

Kanger sent another response along with photos of their T3 line. As before, not sure if this is going to help, but I’m passing along what I receive. Hopefully these will get better and more consistent “in coming days”!


Dear Phil:

Thank you ,your feedback are very valuable to us,we will make all the efforts to control the defective rate.Attached are some photos of our clearomziers for your look,we’d like to take any of your suggestion about these products.

we will make sure all clearomziers from Kanger would be with high quality in coming days.

Ok, I received a response back from KangerTech.  It’s a little cryptic, obviously the language barrier is coming into play here. Not sure how helpful this is, but at least the issue has their attention…

Hi Phil,
Thanks a lot for your feedback ,the defective T3 might come from the first batch of trial production ,the two brand customer all my customer, we are paying high attention to this issue now,we plan to mark Kanger brand on all our cleromizers and pack them with more detailed usage instruction., have some factory copy kanger T3.
maby the resistance and votlage, you can fine the attame file.
Thank you again and have nice weekend.

The attached file mentioned in his email included filling instructions, which I think we all know how to do as well as recommended resistance and voltage settings:

Resistance   Voltage
1.7-1.9Ω      3.1-3.4V
2.1-2.3Ω      3.5-3.8V
2.4-2.6Ω      3.9-4.2V
2.6-3.0Ω      4.3-4.7V

Also mentioned were different “versions” of the T3 series of clearomizers:

T3 series Clear cartomizer:
(T3 / MT3 / Mini T3 / Mage T3 / T3C)

Some follow-up questions have been sent along with a request for photos of the different versions mentioned above.

So after hearing, reading, and listening, it looks like they are probably ALL Kangers with KangerTech making little tweaks here and there in newer productions runs.  In my opinion, a bad idea.  If you’re going to change a product, you should probably rename it so people know what the hell they’re buying, but that’s IMHO.

Note that I have not yet heard back from Kanger after the initial email that stated they were looking into it.

So why were the two so damn different?

Right now, I don’t know, but it is really no wonder why so many people love then and so many people hate them.

Since they are all hand made, my guess is that there are slight differences in construction.  Also, as demand increases, my second guess is that they source the materials from different vendors, although I have no way to substantiate that.  These two items lead to inconsistencies in performance.

I have several new ones coming in that I’ll be trying side by side to see if this inconsistency continues.

For now, they’ve been removed from the recommended hardware section, and pending what I find from further testing, the Clearo Shootout may be annotated.

I wouldn’t be wasting my time if the first one wasn’t so good and the second so bad!!

For those of you who tried them based on my recommendation and had a bad experience… my apologies.

What a bummer!  I really liked the one that worked!  But really hate the one that doesn’t.

Well, it’s not a lot of news, but it’s news.  Kanger has responded to my email and is taking a look…

dear friend:
  thank you tell me about these thing, let me check the thing, and tell you.
best regards!
Danny zhu

Here’s the deal.  My friend Maria on Facebook was having an issue with her T3 today.  She reported burnt taste and then after pulling the”top wick” she reported a bad plastic flavor.

A thread went on trying to help her, but she gave up saying, “Scratch that I give up tastes plastic now, back to carto tank ugh”.

After having a stellar experience with the T3 in the Clearomizer Shootout, I just couldn’t believe.  Tonight I planned on doing some serious side by side vaping between a carto tank, a Vivi Nova, and a T3 anyway, so I broke a new one open and filled it with juice.  I gave it some time to soak in and took my first drag, the very same way I did with the T3 in the Shootout.

I was BLOWN away by the first drag!  Horrible dry, scratchy hit and some of the worst plastic flavor I’ve ever experienced!  ANYONE who would have tried this clearo would think I was out of my F*CKING MIND giving that clearo top place in the shootout and rightfully so!

After taking a closer look, they are different!

The one of the left is the T3 used in the shootout and it came from LiteCigUSA, if you notice it has black lettering (as it does on their site) as well as a smooth interior to the mouthpiece.  It has two air holes in the base.  The measurements go from the bottom to the top only.  It had stellar performance.

The one on the right is a T3 that came from GotVapes.  It has white lettering on the tank (as it does on their site) and a ridge in the mouthpiece.  It has three air holes in the base.  The measurements go both ways from top to bottom and bottom to top.  It made me and a friend choke!

Does anyone know if these are two different clearos?  Which is the real Kanger?  Are they both Kangers?  What the hell is going on?

This is so frustrating to me because anyone who tried this clearo would think I was recommending GARBAGE and I won’t let that happen!

Post Post Follow-up (1/10/13):

First, please note that this is not an attempt to throw a vendor under the bus, but rather an attempt to get to the bottom of why one was sooo good and one was sooo bad.

Daniel from GotVapes contacted me and assured me that they have authentic Kangers, order directly from the Kanger factory and not an agent, and even provided me with his reps Skype address.  He said the printing was different (white) on the colored/tinted tanks for better contrast.  He said the latest iteration he received from Kanger had the change in the printing (up and down with the 3ml mark on the top) and the additional air hole.

I’ve heard from several people since the first post who have used the ones from GotVapes without issue, and some who didn’t like them.  But then again, I’ve heard that about T3s from other vendors as well.

This may very well be very similar to the BogeGate issue.  Kanger gets a higher demand for the product, so they begin sourcing materials from other vendors.  They have to bring on more staff to build the things and thus tiny variations begin to occur.  These tiny variations lead to big differences in the vape experience.

After trying the both of these side by side, I can fully understand why some of you love them and some of you hate them.

I’m getting some new ones to try out.  I’m also going to tear these two apart to see if I can see any difference and post the results.  As I experience and hear more, I’ll let you know.

Ok, so there are a lot of people asking me about the status of BogeGate and if I’ve seen, heard, or experienced anything new. Here’s the deal…

Andrew from Crystal Clear Vaping has a couple of old (original) bricks of Boges left so I bought one from him. I’ve been happily vaping my carto tanks again ever since.

I’ve left a couple of messages with Boge (Stanley) looking for an update on the carto status and information on the rumor I heard that they changed their resistance wire source, but have not heard back.

As far as what I’ve heard from other vapers… I’ve heard both good and bad. I do recall Kevin from VP Live raving about the new Boge XLs and Russ agreeing that they’re better, but still not as good as the originals.

I’ll continue to post as I hear more. Sorry I haven’t been following this more closely.

I’ve heard back from Stanley and working to provide him the information I’ve found along with the video he’s requested.

Dear Phil,

Many thanks for your e-mail and sorry for the late reply. I went to Germany to participate the Inter Tabac 2012 and got back this Monday.

Your comments are well noted.

1) Our standard for SR is 2.7-3.1 ohm; for LR is 2.0-2.4 ohm.

2) Would you please explain what your slotting and punching methods are?

3) We are not able to view videos at youtube. It was banned by the government. Is it possible for you to send the video to us by other ways?

Thank you again for all your efforts. Our engineers need your detailed information to figure out what the problem is.

Best regards.

Stanley

THANKS HARLEY!!