Author: pbusardo
JOYETECH JOINS SEVIA USA!
Very happy and proud to announce that Joyetech has joined the fight to save vaping as we know it and has become a member of SEVIA USA!
Following up on our most recent post, we have identified a few associations that we believe will have a positive influence, especially in helping us combat the FDA’s regulations.
Joyetech is proud to announce membership in SEVIA USA (a part of VTA, Vapor Technology Association) In addition to partnering with the Law Firm Pillsbury Winthrop Shaw and Pittman, Joyetech will be joining more organizations to support our cause.
Joyetech Group 18 May 2016
NEW IN THE QUEUE – THE HOTCIG DX75 – 5/17/16
Here come the DNA-75s! This is the second one that has arrived. Looks good and it’s a bit smaller than the Hcigr VT75 (see photos below).
Here’s a little more from Hotcig:
Colors：
- Red, black & grey
Main profiles:
- SIZE:87*42*30mm
- Thread Type: 510 thread
- Battery:18650/26650
- Output Mode: Ni200, Ti, SS316, VW
- Output Wattage: 75W
- Temperature Range: 100-300℃, 200-600℉
- Flashing LED fire button.
- Can be set up on EScribe software
TASTE YOUR JUICE WELCOMES BATTERY MOOCH!!
I would like to personally welcome Battery Mooch to TasteYourJuice.com.
“Mooch” is well known and respected in the industry as the “battery guy” and is quite popular on the ECF. I’ve worked with Mooch several times in the background and he’s always been quite helpful and knowledgeable in answering my questions.
Although I have some experience with battery testing, Mooch has all the experience I lack so I though it a good fit to offer him his own page here on TasteYourJuice.com.
If you look to the left, you’ll see the new Battery Mooch page under Information/Resources. His first article can be found there as well.
WELCOME MY FRIEND!
Who is Battery Mooch?
My name is John Muchow, some of you may know me as Mooch on ECF and FB and Mooch315
on ECR. I have been vaping since April, 2015 and haven’t smoked once since I
started!I was born and raised in New York City and still live there now. Since 1992 I have
been designing and building electronic devices for a large number of clients. My
first products were camera remote-control systems for sports photographers. As these
systems, and other devices, transitioned from wired to wireless the performance of
the batteries they used was very important as there was no way to replace them
during use. This led to me doing more and more battery testing and developing the
electronics to charge, test, and protect them.As battery technology advanced, from NiCd to NiMH to Li-Ion and now
ultracapacitor/Li-Ion hybrids, the devices I built and the battery testing I did
advanced along with them. I started specializing in power management electronics;
battery chargers, energy harvesters (for charging from heat, light, or
vibration/movement), power supplies, battery analyzers, electronic loads for battery
discharging, and battery management/protection systems. This is the work I still do
today.My clients have included the US Army, National Geographic, Sports Illustrated,
Eastman Kodak Company, and hundreds of other companies from large to small. Part of
the work I’ve done for a lot of my clients has been battery testing. Sometimes they
want to recommend a good battery to their customers. Other times they’re batteries I
have chosen to combine with my electronics to form a complete, protected power
source for them to incorporate into their products.Depending on my client’s requirements this testing can take up to several weeks to
complete. I use a subset of these tests when evaluating the batteries we use when
vaping. This includes continuous-current tests to establish the battery’s true (and
safe) ratings. They also help to determine if there’s any risk of venting if one of
our mods autofires or a mechanical mod’s button is accidentally pressed. The
pulse-current tests measure the degree of voltage sag we would see when vaping at
different current levels. Both types of tests are done the same way for every set of
batteries I test.This consistency in the testing allows for direct comparison of the performance of
different batteries even if the pulse discharging I do doesn’t match the way you
vape.Safety is my number one priority. While I often test at discharge current levels
that can result in unsafe battery temperatures, this is the only way to figure out
what a battery’s true and safe ratings are. No battery is totally safe but we can
certainly avoid taking unnecessary risks.My blog at ECF has the results of all my testing and a few articles on batteries,
battery safety, etc.:https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blogs/mooch.256958/
I have also listed the equipment I use and the steps I follow when testing. This
allows anyone to replicate my tests if they want to:https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/my-cell-testing-equipment-and-setup.7431/
https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/whats-done-for-each-cell-test.7433/
My battery test results offer you a resource you can use when choosing a battery
that will not only be safer for the way you vape but will also give you great
performance.I’m looking forward to contributing to TasteYourJuice.com and I want to thank
PBusardo for the opportunity to help spread the word on exaggerated battery ratings
and battery safety!Mooch
FIRST ARTICLE – Know your mod, know your batteries, and vape safe!
Can we use pulse ratings when choosing and using batteries?
It’s tempting to do so. We pulse our batteries when we vape so it seems to make
sense that we can use a battery’s pulse rating when choosing which battery to buy or
determining how hard we can run it. But is this a good idea?
In a word…no.
There are several problems that prevent us from using pulse ratings when choosing a
battery. The biggest one is that there are no standards for setting a pulse rating.
This means there are some unanswered questions about any battery that claims to have
a pulse rating:
– We don’t know how long the pulse is. Is it one second or ten seconds? That can
significantly affect how hot the battery gets.
– How long are the rests between the pulses for that rating? It could be 10 seconds
or it could be a minute or longer. This will also greatly affects how hot the
battery gets.
– What criteria were used when establishing the rating? Maximum temperature? Minimum
voltage? Run time before dropping to a cutoff voltage? Number of cycles before the
capacity drops to a certain level? A combination of these?
Knowing the answers to these questions is important as it’s the only way we can
compare one battery to another. Without this information a battery’s pulse rating is
useless.
What if we just want to know how hard we can run a battery? No comparison between
batteries, just wondering if we can run a battery at its pulse rating instead of its
continuous current rating.
The answer to this is also no.
If we don’t know anything about how the pulse rating was set we can’t determine if
it’s safe to vape at that current level. What if the rating assumes a 2 second pulse
with one minute rests between pulses? If we vape hard with that battery it could get
too hot and become damaged or possibly even vent.
Even if how the pulse rating was set matches our vaping style, what happens if there
is a problem with the mod or if a mechanical mod’s button is accidentally pressed?
If you are vaping up near the pulse rating, and there’s trouble, then the battery
could be discharged continuously at a level way above its rating. This can easily
cause damage to the battery or force it to vent.
Did you know that Samsung, Sony, LG, Panasonic, and Sanyo don’t include any kind of
pulse rating for most of their batteries? The few batteries that have been given a
rating for a short duration discharge are only supposed to see that kind of current
once, e.g., when a battery pack is short circuited and the protection circuitry
takes a short time to shut off the current. Those pulse “ratings” don’t tell you how
often you can do this so we can’t assume we can repeatedly vape at anywhere near
those current levels.
What about those who have been vaping at levels far higher than the continuous
current rating of their batteries? Why haven’t their faces melted off? It’s a little
bit of luck and it helps a lot to be very familiar with your mod, how to maintain
it, Ohm’s Law, and battery safety. But if you’re vaping at levels at or near the
battery’s claimed pulse rating (which we know is useless) then you’re risking
getting into a dangerous situation if there’s a problem with the mod.
It’s up to you to decide how you want to vape and the risks you want to take. I
highly recommend though not exceeding the continuous current rating of the batteries you’re using.
Know your mod, know your batteries, and vape safe.
SMOKE FREE RADIO NETWORK
With the importance of what is going on right now, I’ll be posting Dimitris’ show information as well as the replays here on TasteYourJuice.com.
What is Smoke Free Radio?
The Smoke Free Radio Network is dedicated to promoting tobacco harm reduction via use of personal vaporizers also known as ecigs!
Tonight on the show:
Legislation, Litigation
Ashley Davis, partner at West Front Strategies analyzes the HR2058 Bill & Cole/Bishop amendment, what they mean and what the industry and community need to do. Also Scott Eley joins us to discuss the industry led litigation against the overreaching onerous FDA deeming regulations.
Click the image to be taken to the site. You can listen to this show tonight live at 9:00 EDT.
INNOKIN ANNOUCES THE TC-18650 FOR THOSE WHO WANT A REPLACEABLE BATTERY
From Innokin:
Vapers have demanded it and we’ve listened! The Innokin CoolFire4 TC18650 75Watt Vaporizer with a replaceable 18650 battery is now available for order!
Powered by the ultra-fast and accurate AETHON temperature control board, the new CoolFire4 TC18650 runs on a single 18650 battery and delivers 75Watt with temperature control! The CoolFire4 TC18650 is compact, durable and ultra-fast at 0.2 seconds from Click to Vape!
The CoolFire4 TC18650 easily calibrates SS316L, Ni200, and Titanium coils for precise temperature control as well as Wattage mode output.
The CoolFire4 TC18650 is available in two editions: the Complete Kit which includes an iSubV Tank and a protective silicon 18650 battery cover and a Limited Edition Vape Travel Kit (without iSub V tank) which includes an added Vape Travel Case with an integrated 18650 Battery power level checker.
Complete kit is available in three colors: Black and Silver (brushed metal), and pure White.
Limited Edition Vape Travel Kit is available in four durable finishes (brushed metal): Black, Silver, Blue and Red.
The CoolFire4 TC18650 is available to order today!
Contact your friendly Innokin Sales representative or email sales@innokin.com for more information.
Aspire to follow FDA rules to the fullest & Aspire is Here to Stay
Looks like I missed this response by Aspire regarding the FDA regulations by a couple of days…
First, Aspire, being the premiere vaporizer company recognizes the need to regulate the current vaporizer market. Regulation will mean that vaping consumers are properly protected when using vaping hardware and e-liquid juices.
Second, Aspire is here to stay. We are ready to fully comply and Aspire will continue to be an industry leader and innovator. To prepare for the imminent “Deeming” act legislation which classifies vape products, accessories and Nicotine e-liquid as “Tobacco,” Aspire has formed several alliances to help legally support our position. The fees to become FDA compliant are exorbitant.
For example, an E-liquid line with 4 juice flavors has 3 nicotine levels. The minimum cost for just having the e-juice application is 4 (flavors) x 3 Nicotine levels = 12 applications x 330,000usd = $3,960,000 USD! And this is the cost just for the e-liquid line. Accessories such as 18650 batteries, coil replacements, etc all would have separate $330,000 FDA fee. Note: =$330k was the initial estimate from the FDA. The actual fee has yet to be officially released. With lawyers fees, testing fees, etc each application is estimated cost more around $500k per application.
Aspire’s alliance includes Sevia USA and several other vape brands.
As a founding member of Sevia USA, Aspire will support federal legislation H.R. 2058 (Cole Bill). Aspire is also confident that the bi-partisan amendment introduced by US representatives Tom Cole (Republican Oklahoma) and Sanford Bishop (Democrat Georgia) will prove a big blow to big tobacco’s efforts to monopolize the vaping industry.
While many of the 499 pages in the FDA document are legal jargon and rambling about prior cases, Aspire has summarized the key points of the document and will be posting it on the Aspirecig.com blog.
Aspire wants to remind our users, fans, partners, and the whole Aspire family that Aspire stays committed to supporting proper amendments to this very unpopular, unfair and Tobacco Industry-friendly FDA Deeming act bill.
While this bill may not directly affect you, it will surely affect as friend, colleague, or loved one. Many tobacco smokers will have a harder time quitting smoking, and will die sooner, if the FDA has its way.
Several leading UK research centers have recently declared that vaping is 95% safer than traditional smoking. “ The UK’s Royal College of Physicians says there is resounding evidence that e-cigarettes are “much safer” than smoking and aid quitting.” BBC Article
A Special Guest & An Advocacy and FDA Update
A PBusardo Video – A Special Guest Discusses Advocacy and FDA Regulation Information
In this video, I’m joined by my pal and someone I have great respect for in the world of advocacy and government relations, Dimitris Agrafiotis.
We talk a little bit about the Toronto event and then get into the world of advocacy and regulations.
We discuss SEVIA USA and try to give you as much information about the deeming FDA regulations as possible including ways you can help.
This is a long video, but a very important one at this time as we face our biggest challenge yet… together.
Please watch and share it as much as possible.
The Links:
American Vapor Association (AVA)
Aspire
CASAA
Innokin
Kanger
R2B Smoke Free Coalition
SEVIA USA
Smok
Find Your Representative HERE
Find your legislator
Vapor Technology Association (VTA)
The Video:
*NOTE: Any use of this video in part or in it’s entirety without Phil Busardo’s expressed written consent is strictly prohibited.
From Adam
Dear Phil. I have to mention this story to you that happened to me today.
So me and my wife went to a new doctor today for physicals and blood work. (I’m 42 and wife is 39 in great health). So the doctor ask “do you smoke?” So I tell him I smoked for 26 year and quit 26 months ago. The doctor stops writing and says “well do you know what’s in that fluid and have you seen the study that shows high levels of Formaldehyde?” (At this point my wife see’s me ready to answer and cringes)
I happen to say “you mean the study showing 3.3 volts they found no formaldehyde, while at 5.0 volts they found formaldehyde levels up to 15 times higher than in tobacco cigarette smoke. So basically if you were to Vape the Ohm level at 5 volts it would be completely a burnt hit, dry and way out of the normal operating range of what you would call a good Vape. It’s unusable and inaccurate at best”
So my wife is giving me the look of “Shut the fuck up & quit it” behind the doctors back. So I then mention that my eliquid is from the same place (NamberJuice doughnut pounder) for over 2 years and that all of the devices I use or have purchased have instructions… but Phil Busardo videos have taught me of what the actual device does and or doesn’t do. I have learned more from Phil and his YouTube videos on exactly what I am doing. I watch about 2 hours a day on devices and read the latest regulations and opinions on every Vape device… So YES! I do know what I’m taking about.”
So the doctors said “well what voltage does that device do?” I show him my DNA200 and Fire it showing the voltage and ohms to illustrate the 5 volt (above study he referenced) and his response was “Well…. Maybe I haven’t seen the update with that study and should look into it. Yeah it does seem that you have plenty of knowledge on the subject”.
He did say that he needs to know more about it and should “get up to date with those studies”. It was a great day for me and finally I feel that I made a difference. Primarily from watching your in depth reviews of all devices. Not only have I learned about devices but actually learned about ohms/voltage and batteries.
Thank you Phil… Thank you for all you do for us and others. I hopefully will some day be able to shake your hand and tell you personally how well you have help improve my life with the nerdy knowledge some of us crave with devices. You’ll never know how many people you have taught a thing or two about products that have changed our lives. Now let’s just hope the FDA gets their head out of there ass and out of bed with big tobacco or big pharma.
Sincerely
Adam
Innokin Responds to the FDA Deeming Regulations
Well done Innokin!
I especially love, respect, and appreciate this:
“We also invite all Chinese manufacturers to join us at the table by joining SEVIA USA. We need one another at this time more than ever. We are not just competitors; we are family and we must overcome this challenge together.”
Innokin Technology Statement on FDA Regulations
The vaporizer and electronic cigarette industry was shaken when the Food and Drug Administration’s Deeming Regulations for tobacco products were published on May 5th and went into effect on May 10th, 2016.
These FDA regulations are overreaching, costly, and place an enormous burden on an industry made up of tens of thousands of independent retailers. The regulations hamper innovation, ignore science & research data, and in their current form will prove hazardous to all of us who rely on this beloved alternative to combustible tobacco.
Innokin continues to be committed to our vision of harm reduction through advanced vaporizer technologies. We are proud to have been working with top independent American and European labs on improved aerosol emission testing protocols and the testing of our bestselling tanks. Through aerosol emissions testing we have worked to minimize any possible negative impacts of our products caused by a wide range of known toxins and metals.
Innokin is a responsible manufacturer and is committed to restricting the sales of our products to minors. All packaging has clear labels and warning information and we have worked closely with vendors to increase awareness of responsible sales. Innokin has developed and launched SecureCap child safety lock technology on our bestselling tanks for added security and peace of mind.
The high quality materials of our tank materials and advanced designs is evident in the exceptional results produced by our T18 and iSub tanks and coils which we are using to apply for European TPD registration. Our commitment to lab testing and tank development is a demonstration that we continue to be committed to releasing only the best possible atomizers and tanks.
There is always more to do, however these regulations go too far.
The Shenzhen Electronic Vapor Industry Association – USA is the only American association representing a coalition of Chinese manufacturers. Innokin Technology and our fellow members in SEVIA USA – Aspire, Kanger, and Smok – today pledge our collective support for the vaping industry in defending it from these overly burdensome regulations.
We believe in freedom of choice, we believe in fair & reasonable regulations to protect consumers and the public health, and we believe in this lifesaving technology that provides millions with an alternative to lethal combustible tobacco products. The current regulatory framework introduced by the FDA will eliminate 99% of all eliquid, 99% of all hardware. All of the rapid innovations that we have experienced in recent years along with the potential for increased p ublic good that these technologies can provide to society will be stopped. Furthermore if any technical problems should happen, such as finding out there is an issue after August 7th, manufacturers will be prohibited by the federal government to address this and fix it.
As members of SEVIA USA, we are announcing our full backing to the Right 2 Be Smoke Free Coalition in challenging these deeming regulations. The Coalition will be playing a key role in organizing and funding industry activities. We believe the FDA regulations should be justly contested in every arena with every available resource. To find out more please visit http://www.r2bsmokefree.org/contribute/
In this spirit, we are expressing our support for the HB2058 and Cole/Bishop Agricultural Appropriations Amendment and encourage everyone to support these vital and responsible bills. The Cole/Bishop Agricultural Appropriations Amendment for the 2017 Federal Budget is the foundation of saving vaping by moving the predicate date from February 2007 to the effective date of the deeming regulations.
Moving the grandfather date will keep all of the thousands of independent retailers alive and save the jobs and livelihoods of tens of thousands of employees and their families. It will keep these companies from having to file extremely costly applications and will keep our industry alive while we cultivate further legislative strategies to save the industry.
VTA-Guidance: Cole-Bishop is the essential first step to saving vapor
SEVIA USA and leading manufacturers will also financially support a variety of national organizations such as CASAA and the AVA and the VTA. These organizations are champions in this challenge for every single vaper and manufacturer.
We also invite all Chinese manufacturers to join us at the table by joining SEVIA USA. We need one another at this time more than ever. We are not just competitors; we are family and we must overcome this challenge together.
If these regulations stand, innovation and product improvements will come to a total halt. Safety issues will by mandate go unaddressed and new advanced technologies will not be allowed to be introduced to the American market. Smokers who have yet to quit may never find the setup that is right for them do so and more Americans will continue to suffer and die needlessly.
This is for every single one of us and for the millions more who have yet to switch. This is just the beginning.
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